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Author Topic: The new Certificado Energético

Offline Delderek

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« Reply #1 on: Sat 30 Mar 2013, 23:07 »
If it's legit how will we find out who it authorised to issue the certificates, or, will there be one and only one illustrious bastard in an area who can conduct the service survey and charge whatever the hell he likes?  And how closely will he be related to

- the mayor
- any politician
- someone in the Cabildo
- some other lying thieving person in public life

????

And how arrogant will he be?  How many phone calls will be requires to secure an appointment?  How much extra will be charged for a pass?

Guess I'm working up to a Tenerife Rant...... :rant:

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« Reply #2 on: Sun 31 Mar 2013, 00:00 »
I'm waiting for it to be approved, Del ... as far as I know it isn't yet through Parliament. As of the beginning of this month it was waiting to be approved by the consejo de ministros. The whole thing should have started in January, I think, but they didn't get the draft Bill in place until then, and it was only sent to Industria on 7 March. From what I've heard, it will be definitively approved this or next month to come into force in June assuming there aren't any changes to the draft legislation.

Again, as far as I know, the EU has already sanctioned (or at least criticized) Spain for the delay ... it's another EU directive behind it all.

As far as cost of the certificate is concerned, they are saying that "the market will determine" it, but it's expected to be around 250 to 300 Euros.

Barmy to apply this across the EU without regard for differences .... what purpose will it serve here?!
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« Reply #3 on: Mon 1 Apr 2013, 14:47 »
I'm now getting a few enquiries about this, so have posted the following on my blog:

The new Certificado Energético

I’ve now had a few emails and contact requests for information about a new requirement for all properties being sold or rented out to have an energy certificate. I was actually holding off from posting it because it is not yet approved by the Spanish Government. The system should have started in January, with a new law in place as a result of EU directives (please see HERE), but it was only in January that the draft legislation was in place. It has recently been sent to Industria and as far as I know, the new law will be approved by the end of this month. When approved, it will come into force in June assuming there aren’t any changes to the draft legislation.

The bottom line is that from June (we assume), no-one will be able legally to sell or rent out a property without a certificate showing how energy efficient that property is. I will have to confirm later how the certificates can be obtained, but I can at least say that as far as cost is concerned, fees will be determined by market forces: it’s expected, though, to be around 250 to 300 Euros. I myself think it’s barmy to apply this across the EU without regard for the great differences in energy use and systems, and cannot really see what purpose it will serve here, but it is something that is coming in the near future. I’ll update when I have more information.

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« Reply #4 on: Mon 1 Apr 2013, 17:15 »
It will also be interesting to see how long the certificate lasts.
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« Reply #5 on: Mon 1 Apr 2013, 17:46 »
I've just edited the thread title  :tiphat:
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« Reply #6 on: Tue 14 May 2013, 13:32 »
 Anyone wishing to organize one of these certificates, or to confirm that someone else is legally able to issue them, now has an official regional contact point. THIS is the national list from the Government, and the details for the Canaries specifically are:

Consejería de Empleo, Industria y Comercio. Dirección General de Industria y Energía
C/ León y Castillo, 200; Edificio Servicios Múltiples III , Planta 4ª; 35071 Las Palmas de Gran Canaria
Tel: 928-899-400 ; www.gobcan.es

THIS appears to be the full list of those qualified to issue these certificates in the province of Santa Cruz de Tenerife.

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« Reply #7 on: Sun 26 May 2013, 23:09 »
 A few extra details about the new energy certificate system which is due to come into force in less than a week, and despite the fact that much officialdom seems to be unready. The system will be administered by the autonomous regions, which have until mid-July to finalise lists of those permitted to issue certificates.

The average cost of the certificates will be €200 to €250. They will be valid for ten years, and will be required for any property being sold or rented for more than four months. Fines of between €300 and €600 are envisaged for advertising which breaches the new legislation. Fines of up to €6,000 are envisaged for more serious offences such as falsifying details. JA

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« Reply #8 on: Fri 31 May 2013, 09:32 »
 This comes into force tomorrow, and it seems that hardly anyone is prepared for it. Even notaries seem unaware: I was told yesterday that one advised an enquirer that it only applied to newbuild properties. With such misinformation and confusion around, please look for yourselves at the links below, which are government links, including one to the actual new law, which comes into force tomorrow, 1 June 2013.

Given the questions I’ve been having, I think it needs to be clarified that it is the legal responsibility of owners – no-one else – to acquire the certificates. Evidently the best agents will advise, and even help obtain the certificates, but it is the owner’s responsibility, and there is no legal onus on the agent even if a property is advertised without a “label”, or with an incorrect one. What agents are required by law to do is advise owners of their own legal obligations, and place the “label” that they are supplied with on the advert.

Clearly the “owners” of a new build are the promoters, and they have been providing these certificates since 2007. With all resale properties, however, it is for the owner to arrange. The certificate also has to be registered: it is the responsibility of the owner to do this but the registration will no doubt be arranged by the certifier. Luckily, the Canaries is one of just a handful of autonomous regions where this can be done: the majority do not yet have the registros in place to process the certificates!

One major concern was whether notaries would stop a sale being signed if the property concerned did not have a certificate. It appears now that they will not have the power to do so, but as is the case where there is an issue with other relevant documents, they will advise both parties of the missing or erroneous document, warn that it must be arranged or corrected, and insert a clause in the new escritura to these effects. JA
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« Reply #9 on: Fri 31 May 2013, 12:19 »
It seems to me that there is money to be made here. Anybody entitled to issue these certificates could offer the service of providing one very cheaply, without even seeing the property, by certifying that it has the worst energy characteristics possible. That can't be fraud, surely, because it is not claiming any positive properties.

The point is that the certificate is completely irrelevant for most properties in south Tenerife. Who cares what it says?
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