Tit groping forbidden in Pamplona

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

I agree with Irma Kurtz.  Taking it further, those women reporters who have been raped reporting on the Arab spring and other uprisings took no personal responsibility for themselves.  As a Western woman in a mob full of misogynists, what the hell do they expect?  I do not excuse rape but I also do not put myself in a position where it is inevitable.  Take your top off in a mob of men who have been drinking and what the fuck do you expect to happen? 

[Nova]

This is where I'm having trouble understanding... have any of the topless girls in Pamplona actually complained about being groped?  There seem to have been several photographic witnesses to girls apparently enjoying it, but the law seems to have been brought in because of the town's complaints about photographic images of girls being groped, not because of girls stripping off and then crying "oh no, why did that happen".  So what is really in question is not the behaviour of the exhibitionist girls or the gropey drunk men, rather that if Pamplona are concerned about the image being presented of the behaviour in their town, then why is their approach to ban the men's behaviour and not the women's?  Is it because the council wants to cash in on the images of bare boobs without that image being "cheapened" (for want of a better word) by the gropes?  The girls in Pamplona specifically probably are going into this knowing exactly what sort of behaviour they are inviting and welcoming it.  The disturbing part for me is that the town council wants to put a stop to unsightly drunken behaviour whilst keeping boobs on display.  If their motives were anything other than seedy, the natural approach would surely be to ban the toplessness, which, as has already been said, would be the common sense thing to do.

[Janet]

I wonder if this isn't in some way related - conceptually - to what happened recently in Magaluf, where the town is up in arms over  ... well, read HERE ...

[Nova]

I'd missed that.  Reading that report though, I'm reminded of that joke....

"Will you sleep with me for a million pounds?"

  -"OK"

"Will you sleep with me for twenty pounds?"

  -"Twenty pounds??  What sort of woman do you think I am???"

"We've already established what sort of woman you are, now we just need to agree the price"

........ 

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

That girl in Magaluf has a negative IQ.  And her face is splashed all over the internet. 

[Nova]

That girl in Magaluf has a negative IQ.  And her face is splashed all over the internet.

Yup, she so knew what she was doing.  Swap the sexes, make her a man with 24 women, and the "outrage" would be on behalf of the 24 targets......

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

Okay everybody, here's another point of view.  Misguided and totally uncomprehending of human nature in my opinion.   See what you think.

Beware the stark warning to women in the Sun's Magaluf 'investigation'

[Janet]

I think there are two opposing views being played out in the press as though they were mutually exclusive, but they're not. On the one hand is the ultra-feminist Greer stance that women should be able to do whatsoever they please without it being taken as a sexual invitation, and on the other, the halfwaytoSharia stance that women should cover up unless they want to be seen as whores who deserve to be gangbanged and then hung to preserve their family's honour. The fact is that these are two extremes, and even if one pulls back from the extremes to a more moderate position, there is room for mutual accommodation.

Women should not be considered to have invited sex just by dress, men really should have enough control over their hormones to retain the power of speech so as to ask. And yet in a situation where drink and noise are in abundance, it is foolhardy for anyone, men as well as women, to expect sensible norms to apply. The fact that women should not be considered to have invited sex just by dress, and that men really should have enough control over their hormones to retain the power of speech so as to ask, does not obviate the justplaincommonsense approach of behaving "appropriately".

And that is "appropriate" to the occasion, assessed in terms of what any normal person might consider reasonable when deciding if a risk was thoughtlessly or even recklessly undertaken, rather than social or religious puritanism.

But having said all that, someone really should introduce a module into journalism degrees to show these wannabe star writers how they can impose Sharia law by default if they just go after sensationalist stories without a thought to the responsibility and power they have ...

P.S. oh, and the girl in question in Magaluf turns out to be from a born-again Christian family from Norn Iron ....

[Michael]

P.S. oh, and the girl in question in Magaluf turns out to be from a born-again Christian family from Norn Iron ....

She just friggin had to be didn't she? 

[Nova]

Who no doubt went to Magaluf for the local architecture...