Tit groping forbidden in Pamplona

[Perikles]

More weirdness. Apparently, during the bull run, it has become quite popular with some young ladies to take their tops off in the crowd of drunken arseholes chasing bulls. Amazingly, and totally unpredictably, they then get groped.

The odd thing to me is the attitude of the authorities in forbidding the actual groping, but taking your top off in a crowd of drunks is allowed.

The central idea of the campaign is that the festive sites be "safe places in which the attitude and respect of men and women allows girls and women to enjoy themselves, without the risk of violence and sexual assaults, however grave these may be".
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"Someone exposing their body is not a reason to assault or strip them, and even less so as a group," reads one of the warnings.
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"During the celebrations, NO still means NO," is the final point.   

So women are allowed to enjoy themselves by stripping off in a crowd of drunks, which is just about as provocative as you can get. But men standing around must still ask for permission to grope. Yer right.

to appalling sexist behaviour

[Nova]

The girl in the picture doesn't seem to mind 

I don't agree with you though. Apart from the different scale of flesh exposure and violation, forbidding women from exposing their tits to protect them from being groped is only a stone's throw from forcing them to cover their faces to "protect" them from being raped....

[Janet]

... a "stone's throw" presumably being what they'll be on the end of if they uncover their face ...

sorry, made me

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

Sorry but I think if they are being that provocative by sticking their tits in peoples' faces, they deserve what they get.

[Perikles]

Sorry but I think if they are being that provocative by sticking their tits in peoples' faces, they deserve what they get.

That's what I think as well. I saw a news item on the box yesterday evening reporting on this, and it showed several "attacks", in all of which the young ladies in question were clearly enjoying the outrage. It was not a pretty sight.

[Michael]

Sorry but I think if they are being that provocative by sticking their tits in peoples' faces, they deserve what they get.

Me too.

[Marion]

Sorry I don't agree that they should accept being groped. It's like saying a woman in a sleeveless top shoud accept having her arms felt it in a sort top and hipster shorts having her stomach felt.  I know these areas aren't as "sexual" as breasts but what about a young woman's wearing a thong on the beach? Should she have to look out for people groping her buttocks? Or if she is sunbathing topless, her breasts? Some of you might say"Well a beach is different" but should it be. If it is unacceptable in one place, just because she is on a street with the same people who could be on a beach (both are fun holiday events where alcohol is taken) should she be susceptible to being sexually molested?

[Michael]

Sorry I don't agree that they should accept being groped. It's like saying a woman in a sleeveless top shoud accept having her arms felt it in a sort top and hipster shorts having her stomach felt.  I know these areas aren't as "sexual" as breasts but what about a young woman's wearing a thong on the beach? Should she have to look out for people groping her buttocks? Or if she is sunbathing topless, her breasts? Some of you might say"Well a beach is different" but should it be. If it is unacceptable in one place, just because she is on a street with the same people who could be on a beach (both are fun holiday events where alcohol is taken) should she be susceptible to being sexually molested?

All perfectly correct. But there are circumstances where an individual knows, with a high degree of certainty, what the result of their actions will be.

Like if I went to Belfast and ran up and down the Falls Road wearing a Rangers top and shouting 'f**k the pope' I know the only way i'd leave would be in an ambulance.

It doesn't make the end result right but you know going in exactly what's going to happen.

[Janet]

This is Irma Kurtz' view ... she was an "agony aunt" for Cosmopolitan magazine years ago, a professional psychologist, whose name became mud when she dared to suggest that anyone - girls, women, or men - has a certain responsibility for their own bodily integrity.

She was at pains to stress that she was not excusing rape (the case at issue at the time), nor offering a justification, NOR BLAMING THE WOMAN (which is how her words were interpreted), but that anyone had a responsibility to avoid putting themselves into a position where an undesirable outcome - undesirable AND PREDICTABLE - might occur.

I agree with her ... but it pretty much ruined her career, at least in the media.

[Perikles]

Like if I went to Belfast and ran up and down the Falls Road wearing a Rangers top and shouting 'f**k the pope' I know the only way i'd leave would be in an ambulance.

Excellent parallel