Going digital in Tenerife - officially

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

Yes and forgot to say I used my digital signature just the other day to print out my residencia.  That thing is a godsend.

[El Profesor]

I need to check this because in Guia de Isora, confirmed today, it's everybody. I'm asking in Adeje ...

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How can it be everybody? You mean they are removing all the old biddies in the village from the council registers.

NO WAY is it everybody. In Arona it's every two years (for me) and there are 80,000 people in Arona, that means 110 people would be renewing it every day of the year including Sundays.

[Janet]

In Guía de Isora yesterday, the girl was unsure of how often comunitarios needed to renew because it was possibly different to everyone else ...

actually, thinking about it, she could have meant non-comunitario foreigners, of course ... 

edit: I have the question lodged with Adeje anyway, including a second part as to how they would respond to the inevitable accusations of discrimination if it's just foreigners ...

[Guanche]

Well knock me down with a EU flag, I got a reply! But not of the bloody MEP! this was a second request from somewhere else in the EU.

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Thank you for getting in touch with Your Europe Advice.

The query you raise relates to the power of the member states to require its population to register on its population census.
In Spain, the population is required to register on the Census, and this is done through the Padron Municipal.

Where the person in question is not a Spanish citizen, and the registered citizen does not renew his registration after two year, he/she is struck off, on the assumption that the residence of the said person is not sufficiently stable or permanent.

You are correct in claiming that where the de-registration is done in a systematic way, without consideration of the specifics of the nationality of the person in question, this may constitute a measure which is incompatible with EU law and the prohibition to discriminate on the basis of nationality enshrined in the treaty on the functioning of the European Union.

However, it appears the the basis for the obligation to renew registration on the population census may be that the foreign citizen is not a permanent resident yet. if follows that where the EU citizen is a permanent resident in Spain, the obligation to renew registration with the Padron may cease.

In other words, once the foreign citizen is permanently settled in Spain (in accordance with the conditions laid down by Article 16 Directive 2004/38,see below) he/she is not subject to having to renew his/her registration to the Padron every two years.

Upon renewing your registration with the Padron, you are therefore urged to provide documentation confirming that you are a permanent resident in Spain, which will be provided with the following evidence:

Evidence that you have worked or been self employed for 5 years on a continuous basis, or alternatively, that you have been self sufficient for a continuous period of 5 years.

Alternatively, you may also wish to apply for a certificate of permanent residence with the relevant authority in Spain (Officina de Extranjero)

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It then goes on to list a number of EU web sites. But I had to laugh at the disclaimer.

Please find below the reply to your enquiry.
Please note that the advice given to you by 'Your Europe Advice' is independent advice and cannot be considered to be the opinion of the European Commission, or any other EU institution or its staff nor will this advice be binding upon the European Commission, or any other EU or National institution. Ha!

Its the first time I have used this site, much better than any I've used before. Anyway enjoy.

[Janet]

"it's"? "IT'S"?????????

[Guanche]

"it's"? "IT'S"?????????

[Janet]

Thank you for getting in touch with Your Europe Advice.

The query you raise relates to the power of the member states to require it's population to register on it's population census.
In Spain, the population is required to register on the Census, and this is done through the Padron Municipal.

Should be "its" ...

[Guanche]

Since I don't know how to do a copy or link or what ever its called I had to type it out myself, so the spelling is my fault. I have corrected my error

[Myrtle Hogan-Lance]

Wow, what an answer.  I have to question this part:

if follows that where the EU citizen is a permanent resident in Spain, the obligation to renew registration with the Padron may cease.

In other words, once the foreign citizen is permanently settled in Spain (in accordance with the conditions laid down by Article 16 Directive 2004/38,see below) he/she is not subject to having to renew his/her registration to the Padron every two years.

I thought that by virtue of having registered with the police and having our NIE and registering on the Padrón we were permanent residents.  This does not explain why J&J had to reregister, and why we have not been called upon to do so since registering in April 2011 in the same municipio.

I wonder if we should have a separate thread for all of Pelinor's correspondence with EU officials.  It could be combined with Michael's various pieces with officialdom.  I don't know, The Official Correspondent from Our Benevolent Rulers thread or something. 

[Janet]

Since I don't know how to do a copy or link or what ever its called I had to type it out myself, so the spelling is my fault. I have corrected my error

oh no! I was amused that they'd have made an error ...

sorry .....