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Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 13:19
Despite the gloomiest of expectations given the change of Government and the economic crisis, Spanish Conservative Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has announced that the Government is extending the 426€ post-paro basic 6-month assistance for the long-term unemployed. The announcement comes on the day that the previous scheme expires, and although the format will be modified in a way still to be announced, the basic financial aid remains in place. JA (http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-unemployment-now-at-27-68-the-highest-in-spain.html)
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Guanche on Wed 15 Aug 2012, 14:13
No doubt he will be able to pay this with the cash he gets from the forth coming EU bail out?
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Tue 21 Aug 2012, 15:47
 The Government has increased to €450 the assistance given to the long-term unemployed whose unemployment benefit (paro) has ended and who have at least two dependants.  There is very little information about this at present, so it is unclear whether other conditions will apply, but the Ministerio de Empleo says that there will be a series of improvements and modifications to the plan. The measure will be approved this Friday in the Consejo de Ministros, and will be retroactively applied to 16 August. JA (http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-unemployment-now-at-27-68-the-highest-in-spain.html?preview=true&preview_id=2939&preview_nonce=b35db283e0)
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Guanche on Tue 21 Aug 2012, 17:44
So it sounds like you have to have a partner and child before you get anything?
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Tue 21 Aug 2012, 17:47
it's two dependants in addition to a partner/spouse ... doesn't specify it has to be a child.
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Nova on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 16:52
Quote from: Janet on Tue 21 Aug 2012, 17:47
it's two dependants in addition to a partner/spouse ... doesn't specify it has to be a child.

For those with a partner plus two dependants 450€ per month won't even cover the rent!  This came up at work today as we believe we are now seeing the effects of the end of paro entitlement.  This month saw the quietest paro day I have ever seen, we were even noticeably quieter on the days following.  The cash machine is paying out much less than usual.  People just have no money.......
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Delderek on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:11
Are you guys saying, that if you have no work, and you are married with no children, you get absolutely nothing? No rent allowance. No hardship payment, No food stamps, If so, what on earth do they think will happen to the social fabric.?
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:15
That's exactly what we're saying.

There are "prestaciones", which are like grants for specific purposes, e.g. funerals (see HERE (http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_1/Trabajadores/PrestacionesPension10935/Accionprotectorapre12778/index.htm) and HERE (http://www.seg-social.es/Internet_1/Trabajadores/PrestacionesPension10935/index.htm)), but generally once your paro expires and the extra €400-odd for six months after the end of that, you're on charity.
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Nova on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:16
Quote from: Delderek on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:11
Are you guys saying, that if you have no work, and you are married with no children, you get absolutely nothing? No rent allowance. No hardship payment, No food stamps, If so, what on earth do they think will happen to the social fabric.?

Basically, yes that's how it works here.  That's why there are instances of three generations squashing into the same house living off the grandparents' pension.  Many people are now dependent on family handouts.  Those with no family, or at least no family able to support them, must be facing a kind of Dickensian poverty.  It reminds us just how lucky we are....
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Delderek on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:45
OK, so Paradise Island may not be that for all, but what do you residents think the future holds, given the economic situation that is getting worse as regards to employment etc.?
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Nova on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:53
This isn't just a Tenerife thing though, this is Spain.  A whole country is suffering this.

I honestly have no idea what the future holds, all I'm sure of is that it's going to get a whole lot worse before it starts to get better  :closet:
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:54
Actually, I dread to think.
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Myrtle Hogan-Lance on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:55
I worry about being burgled although according to OH (font of knowledge) there is not supposed to be a great correlation between unemployment and crime.   :hmmmmm:
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Wed 22 Aug 2012, 17:57
Hmmmmm indeed .....  :-X

Now we really do have to be on guard (http://chalkcat.com/index.php?topic=372.msg5842#msg5842)

Social crisis in Tenerife as crimewaves soar (http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/social-crisis-arrives-in-tenerife-as-crimewaves-soar.html)

:undecided:
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Perikles on Fri 24 Aug 2012, 15:36
The government has announced that the money will not be paid to the unemployed if their parents or grandparents have an income. They argue that the "colchón familiar" must be taken into account.

El País (http://politica.elpais.com/politica/2012/08/24/actualidad/1345808063_973990.html)
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Fri 24 Aug 2012, 18:53
Yes, just posted HERE (http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-unemployment-now-at-27-68-the-highest-in-spain.html):

The amount of post-paro help might have gone up for those with two dependants in addition to a spouse, but it's being paid for by reducing the numbers receiving the basic amount. The minister of Empleo, Fátima Báñez, has now announced that the unemployed at the end of their unemployment benefit will be exc luded from the extra assistance if they live with parents who are in receipt of income which, divided among the whole family, would exceed €481 per person per month, the so-called "family buffer". The programme has indeed been extended by the Consejo de Ministros, as expected earlier this week.
Title: New Government confirms €426 post-paro help
Post by: Janet on Sat 25 Aug 2012, 17:23
Another new measure is the requirement for those at the end of their paro to demonstrate that they had actively sought work for at least 30 days after their benefit stopped, had been registered as seeking work for at least the 12 of the previous 18 months, that they have dependants, and are not in receipt of any other assistance, this last to be proven by certificate from regional Government or Ayuntamiento. The full measures have been published today in the Boletín Oficial del Estado (BOE); they will come into force tomorrow with retroactive effect to 16 August. The entry in the BOE is HERE (http://www.boe.es/boe/dias/2012/08/25/pdfs/BOE-A-2012-11132.pdf). JA (http://www.janetanscombe.com/news/canarian-unemployment-now-at-27-68-the-highest-in-spain.html)